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2023.06.10 13:13 WorldAwayTweedy "Do you ever feel claustrophobic?"
She said it so quietly that I barely heard her the first time.
“Sorry hun?”
She’d been chipping away on a research project all week. I was in bed reading a book and enjoying my night.
“Do you ever feel claustrophobic?” she asked again, more clearly this time, her face staring straight ahead at the computer screen.
Emily knew that I was all about clear communication - if she wanted to initiate a break-up conversation, she could say her piece plainly… and maybe make some eye contact at the very least?
“No, I can’t say that I do babe.”
She softly nodded to herself.
“Do you…?”
She stopped her scrolling for a moment. She still wouldn’t turn and look at me… but she was thinking.
“Who do you think put us here?”
Hm. She liked to wax philosophical every now and then.
“Well, I mean I can’t say for certain, but I believe that humanity reached this point through events that were way outside of our control, like, y’know, the big bang, cambrian explosion, evolution giving monkeys bigger and bigger brains, that sort of stuff. The holy trinity of chaos, time, and atoms doin’ their thing I suppose.”
She grimaced.
“I thought you’d say something like that.”
The response was a bit out of character for Emily. She was a staunch atheist, and she used the phrase “We’re all star stuff,” much more than the average person, to the point where it’d even get an eye roll out of me every now and then.
“And what’s your theory?” I asked.
She continued mindlessly scrolling away at the computer. It felt like her research was the priority, and her conversation with me was a weird aside to keep her awake. After a minute of me feeling like a piece of furniture, she spoke up again.
“My theory is… we tell ourselves this is all a cosmic accident to make ourselves feel better.”
An eye-brow raising comment from her, for sure. I know she’s the smarter half of our relationship, but… nah.
“Really? You think that accepting that everything around us is a cosmic accident is somehow soothing? You think it’s comforting to think that when we die, it’s all over?”
She continued scrolling.
“Yes.”
I shrugged.
“Well, uh, agree to disagree, I guess. I’d much prefer to live forever.”
“You’d much prefer to live forever…” she said under her breath.
I felt like she needed to take a break from her work. Maybe the stress was getting to her.
“Hey, you okay ba-”
“I think that we tell ourselves that everything is meaningless and finite, because it makes us feel like we have control. Agency. That we aren’t at the mercy of something we’ll never understand.”
“I can’t say I resonate with that, Em.”
“I think the creator leaves us hints. About what this is all about. And where it all goes.”
As she spoke, it felt like she was almost reading off of a website. I realized that I’d never asked her what her research project was about.
“When you look outside, what do you see?”
Christ. She did seem off.
“Uh, nature. I see nature, I guess,” I replied.
“What do you think of it?”
“I think it’s beautiful. Don’t you?”
She shook her head softly.
“It’s a mirage. It’s pleasing if you don’t zoom in or pay attention. If you do, it’s a system of creatures devouring each other for energy. Creating more of themselves, devouring each other, reproducing again, devouring each other: an endlessly cruel loop. Have you ever seen an animal get eaten before?”
What the fuck Em. I needed to get her out of this headspace. Something was very wrong.
“Uh, no, outside of a random Youtube video here or there, I don’t think I’ve seen an ani-”
“It’s not natural. Nothing about it looks natural. You see it, and it’s a visceral hint that this whole thing isn’t right. Nothing folds in and accepts its fate in the food chain. They all fight and claw and scream as they’re torn apart. They cry out the exact same way a human would.”
“Babe, you really shouldn’t be watching shit like–”
“Babe, you really shouldn’t be watching shit like–”
She said the words out loud just as I said them. Like she knew exactly what I was going to say. She didn’t lip-read or anything - her eyes were still straight ahead on the computer screen, her finger on the scroll wheel.
I wanted to ignore it.
“What, am I starting to get predictable?" I asked her.
She didn’t respond. But her breathing started to quicken. Short breaths in and out, reaching a frantic tempo.
I got out of bed. I ran to her and turned her chair away from the computer. We locked eyes.
“Hun, what is your research project about?”
Between her panic attack, she answered -
“Free will.”
“Free will?”
“Only one day into starting the paper, and I felt something calling to me. It all started to make sense.”
“What, what started to make sense?”
“What all of this is. What everything is. Energy, energy is-”
“God, Em, shut up about energy, we need to like get you to a hospital or someth-”
“No, look, everything is energy devouring itself, right?”
I realized that I needed to engage her to calm her down.
“Sure, yes, animals eat each other for energy. Bring home the point, hun.”
“There’s an energy inside us too. Something that can be devoured.”
“Well yeah, I mean we’re a part of the animal kingdom, so I’m sure if I ran into a lion or something it’d eat me–”
She pointed at her chest. Her heart. Something inside her.
“No. Us. The real us inside. Our soul. Our essence. There’s something out there trying to take it.”
It was clear to me she wasn’t well. I went to fetch my cell phone. I needed to get her to the hospital pronto. As I scanned the room, my eyes caught what was on her computer screen.
A website that looked very dated. Early 2000ish. Amateur-ish.
The banner of the website read: Emily’s Free Will
We were near the bottom of the page.
On the site was a script of our conversation. Right up until the words she just said: “Our soul. Our essence. There’s something out there trying to take it.”
My exclamation of “What the fuck” echoed the very words I found myself reading on the website. I scrolled up. Everything her and I had discussed moments before was on the page. Identical to the word.
I closed the website immediately. I turned the computer off shortly after as well.
I held Emily in my arms. I told her that we’d go to sleep and forget everything that happened. I told her to discard the project altogether, that a failing grade was fine, and that we just needed to bury this and put it behind us.
She disappeared a week later.
The search went on for weeks. None of us had a clue where she was. She left us with no hints on where she was going and when she was coming back. She was just… gone.
As the depression sunk in for her friends and family and the search dwindled down, I followed the one lead I had.
When I was all alone, and away from the chaos…
I went to a secluded plot of land in the middle of the night, and after a few hours of digging, I found the coffin. I opened it up, and sure enough Emily was there, decay and all. The inside walls of the coffin etched in scratch marks.
If you’re wondering how I was able to find her body, the coordinates were there on the website, right underneath the line: “Mark closed the website in disbelief, and didn’t return for weeks after Emily’s disappearance.”
Of course, this time I had to keep reading. Underneath the location of Emily’s grave, was the final line on the page.
"And soon enough, Mark would wake up to discover himself buried as well. His body would never be discovered.”
I’m still here. For now anyways. But if the moment that is written does come to pass, I ask that you look for me. I don’t want my body to go unfound.
Emily, wherever you are, I’d like to change my answer to your question.
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“Sorry hun?”
She’d been chipping away on a research project all week. I was in bed reading a book and enjoying my night.
“Do you ever feel claustrophobic?” she asked again, more clearly this time, her face staring straight ahead at the computer screen.
Emily knew that I was all about clear communication - if she wanted to initiate a break-up conversation, she could say her piece plainly… and maybe make some eye contact at the very least?
“No, I can’t say that I do babe.”
She softly nodded to herself.
“Do you…?”
She stopped her scrolling for a moment. She still wouldn’t turn and look at me… but she was thinking.
“Who do you think put us here?”
Hm. She liked to wax philosophical every now and then.
“Well, I mean I can’t say for certain, but I believe that humanity reached this point through events that were way outside of our control, like, y’know, the big bang, cambrian explosion, evolution giving monkeys bigger and bigger brains, that sort of stuff. The holy trinity of chaos, time, and atoms doin’ their thing I suppose.”
She grimaced.
“I thought you’d say something like that.”
The response was a bit out of character for Emily. She was a staunch atheist, and she used the phrase “We’re all star stuff,” much more than the average person, to the point where it’d even get an eye roll out of me every now and then.
“And what’s your theory?” I asked.
She continued mindlessly scrolling away at the computer. It felt like her research was the priority, and her conversation with me was a weird aside to keep her awake. After a minute of me feeling like a piece of furniture, she spoke up again.
“My theory is… we tell ourselves this is all a cosmic accident to make ourselves feel better.”
An eye-brow raising comment from her, for sure. I know she’s the smarter half of our relationship, but… nah.
“Really? You think that accepting that everything around us is a cosmic accident is somehow soothing? You think it’s comforting to think that when we die, it’s all over?”
She continued scrolling.
“Yes.”
I shrugged.
“Well, uh, agree to disagree, I guess. I’d much prefer to live forever.”
“You’d much prefer to live forever…” she said under her breath.
I felt like she needed to take a break from her work. Maybe the stress was getting to her.
“Hey, you okay ba-”
“I think that we tell ourselves that everything is meaningless and finite, because it makes us feel like we have control. Agency. That we aren’t at the mercy of something we’ll never understand.”
“I can’t say I resonate with that, Em.”
“I think the creator leaves us hints. About what this is all about. And where it all goes.”
As she spoke, it felt like she was almost reading off of a website. I realized that I’d never asked her what her research project was about.
“When you look outside, what do you see?”
Christ. She did seem off.
“Uh, nature. I see nature, I guess,” I replied.
“What do you think of it?”
“I think it’s beautiful. Don’t you?”
She shook her head softly.
“It’s a mirage. It’s pleasing if you don’t zoom in or pay attention. If you do, it’s a system of creatures devouring each other for energy. Creating more of themselves, devouring each other, reproducing again, devouring each other: an endlessly cruel loop. Have you ever seen an animal get eaten before?”
What the fuck Em. I needed to get her out of this headspace. Something was very wrong.
“Uh, no, outside of a random Youtube video here or there, I don’t think I’ve seen an ani-”
“It’s not natural. Nothing about it looks natural. You see it, and it’s a visceral hint that this whole thing isn’t right. Nothing folds in and accepts its fate in the food chain. They all fight and claw and scream as they’re torn apart. They cry out the exact same way a human would.”
“Babe, you really shouldn’t be watching shit like–”
“Babe, you really shouldn’t be watching shit like–”
She said the words out loud just as I said them. Like she knew exactly what I was going to say. She didn’t lip-read or anything - her eyes were still straight ahead on the computer screen, her finger on the scroll wheel.
I wanted to ignore it.
“What, am I starting to get predictable?" I asked her.
She didn’t respond. But her breathing started to quicken. Short breaths in and out, reaching a frantic tempo.
I got out of bed. I ran to her and turned her chair away from the computer. We locked eyes.
“Hun, what is your research project about?”
Between her panic attack, she answered -
“Free will.”
“Free will?”
“Only one day into starting the paper, and I felt something calling to me. It all started to make sense.”
“What, what started to make sense?”
“What all of this is. What everything is. Energy, energy is-”
“God, Em, shut up about energy, we need to like get you to a hospital or someth-”
“No, look, everything is energy devouring itself, right?”
I realized that I needed to engage her to calm her down.
“Sure, yes, animals eat each other for energy. Bring home the point, hun.”
“There’s an energy inside us too. Something that can be devoured.”
“Well yeah, I mean we’re a part of the animal kingdom, so I’m sure if I ran into a lion or something it’d eat me–”
She pointed at her chest. Her heart. Something inside her.
“No. Us. The real us inside. Our soul. Our essence. There’s something out there trying to take it.”
It was clear to me she wasn’t well. I went to fetch my cell phone. I needed to get her to the hospital pronto. As I scanned the room, my eyes caught what was on her computer screen.
A website that looked very dated. Early 2000ish. Amateur-ish.
The banner of the website read: Emily’s Free Will
We were near the bottom of the page.
On the site was a script of our conversation. Right up until the words she just said: “Our soul. Our essence. There’s something out there trying to take it.”
My exclamation of “What the fuck” echoed the very words I found myself reading on the website. I scrolled up. Everything her and I had discussed moments before was on the page. Identical to the word.
I closed the website immediately. I turned the computer off shortly after as well.
I held Emily in my arms. I told her that we’d go to sleep and forget everything that happened. I told her to discard the project altogether, that a failing grade was fine, and that we just needed to bury this and put it behind us.
She disappeared a week later.
The search went on for weeks. None of us had a clue where she was. She left us with no hints on where she was going and when she was coming back. She was just… gone.
As the depression sunk in for her friends and family and the search dwindled down, I followed the one lead I had.
When I was all alone, and away from the chaos…
I went to a secluded plot of land in the middle of the night, and after a few hours of digging, I found the coffin. I opened it up, and sure enough Emily was there, decay and all. The inside walls of the coffin etched in scratch marks.
If you’re wondering how I was able to find her body, the coordinates were there on the website, right underneath the line: “Mark closed the website in disbelief, and didn’t return for weeks after Emily’s disappearance.”
Of course, this time I had to keep reading. Underneath the location of Emily’s grave, was the final line on the page.
"And soon enough, Mark would wake up to discover himself buried as well. His body would never be discovered.”
I’m still here. For now anyways. But if the moment that is written does come to pass, I ask that you look for me. I don’t want my body to go unfound.
Emily, wherever you are, I’d like to change my answer to your question.
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He was a true legend...an American Treasure. His music is timeless; his contributions to the music industry...unequaled; and his influence, unparalleled. His caring and humility spoke volumes. He paved the way for so many of us, and I will forever remember him in my heart."2003 - Michael finally gives his deposition in Indianapolis before going to Merville, Indiana Last month, Jackson he fell ill and was hospitalized before he could be deposed in a lawsuit filed by Gordon Keith (who signed the Jackson 5 to his Gary, Indiana-based Steeltown Records in 1967) and musician Elvy Woodard. The men claim that the Jackson 5 used the name of another Gary band and two of their songs without license. Jackson’s attorney, Bob Meyer, says the suit has no merit, noting that Michael was only 9 years old at the time. The deposition took place at a hotel from 11:21 a.m. to 5:10 p.m “Michael was extremely comfortable today,” he said. “He really surprised me.” Meanwhile, an attorney for the plaintiffs, Norman Reed, described Jackson’s deportment as “jovial,” though he went on to say that Jackson couldn’t answer every question because certain events in question occurred more than three decades ago Michael hires Charles Koppleman as his new business adviser. 2005 - Jury Deliberations Day 6 Jurors in the trial will be back again on Monday after ending their first full week of deliberations without reaching a verdict The jurors asked a number of questions today and also requested to have some testimony read back to them. Judge Melville held at least three meetings with attorneys from each side Legal experts say the lengthy and complex instructions issued by the Judge may be responsible for the extended deliberations. "This is a huge, huge celebrity trial, so you can bet that they're going to want to read those jury instructions pretty carefully," said Donna Shestowsky, a law professor at the University of California. Shari Seidman Diamond, a law professor at Northwestern University, agreed: "Running through these instructions is the use of words that are real words in everyday life that have different legal meanings." She said that terms such as "attempt," "reasonable" and "conspiracy" have specific meaning in criminal law and "we know that makes instructions harder to deal with." Diamond said that judges could make jury instructions more palatable but rarely did so as they were more concerned with making sure the instructions were unflawed and would not lead to a reversal on appeal. Peter Tiersma, a member of the California Judicial Council's task force on criminal jury instructions, said it was easier for a judge to simply copy the text of a legal opinion or of a statute in the instructions. He said that no matter how dense or incomprehensible the instructions were, "if you changed it, you risked getting it wrong." As an example, Diamond pointed out that the explanation of 'reasonable doubt' was buried on page 45 of the instructions, which offered little explanation of why jurors should ignore certain pieces of evidence. https://preview.redd.it/f52dnqltm35b1.jpg?width=612&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2753c19dbc11c6413de15208242432e1cdb0437c About 2,200 journalists received press credentials to cover the Michael Jackson trial, more than the O.J. Simpson and Scott Peterson trials combined. Major TV networks have committed dozens of staff members and some news organizations have even installed land lines, fearing that the explosion of phone calls following a verdict could jam the region's cell phone networks. Reporters from every continent except Antarctica are covering the story, a reminder that Michael's popularity remains intense outside the US. News organizations from more than 30 countries were represented "The appetite for Michael Jackson is insatiable," said Graeme Massie, who has covered the trial for Splash, a British news agency. "In the U.S., people may believe that Jackson's star has fallen, but in Europe it still shines brightly." The case is being closely watched in Japan where they are thinking of moving to a jury system. "People in Japan are interested in the King of Pop, but they also want to know how the jury will treat celebrities," said Wataru Ezaki, who works for a Japanese news organization in Southern California. "They want to see if jurors can be fair. It's a very unique case." Deliberations will resume Monday morning at 8:30 a.m. 2009 - AllGood Entertainment Inc. filed a $40 million lawsuit against Michael claiming breach of contract and fraud in an attempt to stop Jackson from performing in London. The New Jersey-based company filed the suit in federal court in New York stating that it signed a deal with Jackson's manager, Frank DiLeo for a pay per view reunion concert with the other Jackson siblings 2013 - Jackson v AEG Trial Day 26 Katherine Jackson was at court for the morning session Randy Phillips Testimony Jackson direct Panish showed a June 20th email from Tim Leiweke (CEO of AEG) to Dan Beckerman (CFO/COO of AEG) in which Beckerman described Phillips as jittery: "Trouble with Michael. Big trouble."Beckerman responded: "I figured something might be wrong given how jittery Randy has been this week. Is it "pre-show nerves" bad or "get a straight jacket/call our insurance carrier" bad?"Phillips said he was not jittery, but concerned with the show. Jittery meaning shaking and he said he doesn't think that's how he was. Phillips said Dr. Murray receiving $150k per month being the cause of Michael's sickness in June of 2009 never crossed his mind Phillips said he did not recall what was discussed in a phone conversation with Murray. In his video deposition that was shown to the jury, Phillips first said the conversation lasted three minutes. He was shown phone records that showed it lasted 25 minutes. Phone records show Phillips had a 25 minute phone call with Conrad Murray after Kenny Ortega's emails on June 20, 2009. Phillips said he didn't think the call lasted that long, doesn't recall what they talked about. "It's very possible I might have even read him these emails," Phillips testified, referring to the "Trouble at the Front" chain. "I would not have discussed his health other than what it was in the content of the emails" Phillips said everyone in the This Is It production got a list with everyone's phone numbers. He doesn't know how Dr. Murray got the list. Phillips was asking about how Conrad Murray got his home phone number. He initially said it might have been on a list given to tour personnel. Phillips then said that Murray may have gotten it from Jackson's former manager, Frank Dileo. Phillips testified that Dr. Murray called his home number. Panish showed picture of the business card Phillips gave Dr. Murray with his cell number on the back. The card was found in the doctor's car. Panish then asked Phillips about an email he sent director Kenny Ortega, telling him Murray was "unbiased and ethical", the email serves as Phillips' best recollection of his conversation with Dr. Murray. This morning, Panish frequently asked Randy Phillips whether he was truthful with Ortega. Panish: "Did you make that up and lie to Mr. Ortega?"Panish talked about email Phillips wrote to Ortega on Jun 20: "Kenny, it's critical that neither you, me or anyone else around this show become amateur psychiatrist or physicians. I had a lengthy conversation with Dr. Murray, who I'm gaining immense respect for as I get to deal with him more. He said that Michael is not only physically equipped to perform and, that discouraging him to, will hasten his decline instead of stopping it. Dr. Murray also reiterated that he's mentally able to and was speaking to me from the house where he has spent the morning with Michael. This doctor is extremely successful (we check everyone out) and does not need this gig so he is totally unbiased and ethical. It is critical we surround Michael with love and support and listen to how he wants to get ready for July 13th... You cannot imagine the harm and ramifications of stopping this show now. It would far outweigh "calling this game in the 7th inning". I'm not just talking about AEG's interests here, but the myriad of stuff/lawsuits swirling around Michael that I crisis manage every day and also his well-being. I am meeting with him today at 4p at the Forum. Please stay steady. Enough alarms have sounded. It is time to out out the fire, not burning the building down. Sorry for all the analogies. Randy"Phillips said he thought Dr. Murray was extremely successful based on the clinics he had and business he would've to close to go on tour. Phillips: "It was an assumption I made"As to the "we check everyone out" reference in the email, Panish asked if that was a true statement or untrue. Phillips: "It's not, it's hard to say yes or no on that. It is not true because everyone would imply everyone"Panish asked about the reference "he doesn't need the gig". "I made another assumption based on the information I had," Phillips explained, "I didn't have any basis to say he was unbiased and ethical" Panish used the email to try to show that 3 people _ Ortega, Murray and John Hougdahl _ were warning Phillips about Jackson's health. Phillips said Murray didn't agree with the assessments of Michael's health by Ortega and Hougdahl (the tour production manager). After multiple questions, Phillips said many of the statements in the email about Murray weren't true. Those statements included that AEG Live checked everyone out, and that Murray was an accomplished doctor who was unbiased and ethical. "At the time, I thought it was the truth", Phillips said of the above statements Phillips testified he wrote email to Sony exec asking her to remind him to tell her where Dr Murray was the night he was to be caring for Michael. Judge only allowed plaintiffs' attorney to say it was a social establishment, but the place was a strip club Panish then asked Phillips about the suggestion that Jackson needed a psychiatrist. Phillips confirmed what he said last week -- he never consulted a psychiatrist. He said today it wouldn't have been appropriate. As to having a mental health professional, "no one brought a psychiatrist," Phillips said, "because Michael didn't need one" Phillips testified he had conflicting information coming from Dr. Murray and Kenny Ortega regarding Michael. Panish pressed Phillips about the fact that he sent completely opposite emails to Ortega and AEG high ups. "It was because they were sent for different purposes," Phillips explained. Of the statements to Ortega, Phillips told the jury: "I just wanted to calm things down until we had this meeting"Before the morning break, Panish showed some of the emails he showed Phillips last week. Panish only had his copy, which had notes on it. Panish gave Phillips his annotated version of the email, but Phillips refused to look at them. Flipped them over so he couldn't see them. "I don't want to help you with your case", Phillips said of reviewing Panish's annotated copies of the emails. That brought some laughter. Phillips was ultimately given a clean copy of the emails, provided by his defense lawyers. Phillips said he remembers the meeting on June 20th lasted at least an hour. Dr. Murray and Phillips were sitting on one couch, Michael was on a bench and Ortega on another couch. In his deposition, Phillips said Ortega talked about Michael's physical and mental status. On the stand today, Phillips explained Ortega did very little talking in the meeting. "He addressed Michael coming to rehearsals. I do not believe he talked about Michael's physical condition and mental state. Dr. Murray did most of the talking," Phillips testified. Panish pressured Phillips about him changing the testimony. "My memory is getting better about the events of four years ago," Phillips said. "The purpose of the meeting was to find out what was happening with Michael because of the events on the 19th" Panish: "Did Mr. Ortega say he was concerned Michael was not getting enough sleep?"Without getting into details, Phillips said Ortega and Murray "were a little combative" at the meeting. Phillips said Murray reassured everyone that Jackson's health was fine. He said Jackson also assured them nothing was wrong with him. He said Murray told the group that Jackson may have had the flu, or some similar ailment. He said Jackson's health was discussed. Phillips said he couldn't recall whether Jackson's sleep issues were discussed. A portion of Randy Phillips' deposition was played in which he said sleep issues were discussed at the June 20, 2009 meeting The meeting happened in the afternoon, Phillips said. Panish asked if Michael was shaking in that meeting. Phillips said "No, not at all" A vase was broken in one of the production meetings, Phillips explained. He said Frank Dileo, Paul Gongaware & himself were present. Phillips said he doesn't know who broke the vase, but he thinks it may have been Frank DiLeo. Phillips denied a vase was broken during the June 20th meeting at Michael's house. Panish: "Did you have a meeting with Michael where you threatened to pull the plug and take everything he had?"Phillips said Michael was a phenomenal father & denied ever saying to anyone at the meeting that Michael was on skid row or going to become homeless. Panish: "Did you ever tell Michael you were paying for his toilet paper?"Phillips denied that Murray said during the June 20th meeting that he "couldn't take it anymore." Phillips denied that Murray's contract was discussed at the meeting, saying that would have been inappropriate. Phillips was also again asked about emails a couple of AEG executives (former CEO Tim Leiweke and Dan Beckerman) traded about him. The email described Randy Phillips as jittery, and alluded to either him or Jackson having a "mental breakdown." Phillips denied he was having a mental breakdown, and said he didn't want to put words in the other executives' mouths. In the deposition played to the jury, Tim Leiweke said the reference to "mental breakdown" in the email could've been to Randy Phillips not Michael. Panish played depo of Dan Beckerman, in which he said he didn't recall what prompted him to say Phillips was jittery. Panish: "Did you think that Michael needed a straight jacket?"Phillips said it was a question of "stage fright and the show will go on" or "I can't do this let's cancel" scenario. Panish: "Do you think Michael needed a straight jacket?"Regarding the straight jacket email, Phillips said the way he read it he can't tell if it was referring to him or Michael. Panish pointed out that insurance was only if Michael had a break down, not Phillips. Thus, the email must've referred to Michael Questioning then moved back to the June 20th meeting, with Phillips describing Murray as "demonstrative" toward director Kenny Ortega. Phillips said Murray's message to Ortega was essentially "stay in your lane" and not to interfere with medical issues. "The meeting got a little bit heated when Dr. Murray was admonishing Kenny," Phillips recalled, but said hostile is too harsh of a word. Phillips said lack of sleep was discussed in the June 20th meeting, but wasn't the main focus. Phillips said the reason of the meeting was to find out what happened in the night before, what was the issue and also Michael missing rehearsals. Phillips said Michael had the best two rehearsals after the June 20th meeting. "Kenny told Michael to take the next two days off, spend some time with the kids," Phillips testified. Phillips was then asked about emails he sent to Leiweke, others, about the results of the June 20th meeting at Jackson's house. This was after Jackson's attorney, John Branca, earlier in the day had suggested a counselor to work with Jackson. Phillips email: "Anyway, things are not as bleak as Kenny's emails. John, now is not the right time to introduce a new person into his life"After this email is when Phillips made the "badgering" comment to Panish that prompted Judge Palazuelos' admonition to him. Suddenly, judge decides to take a break at 2:24 pm and sends the jury out of the courtroom. Outside the presence of the jurors, judge admonished Phillips for not answering the questions asked. "Mr. Phillips you need to answer questions," said Judge Yvette Palazuelos, frustrated. "Lawyers are trying to getting the answers." Judge told Phillips that arguing with the lawyers isn't really going to help his case, it will just lengthen his testimony. She noted his testimony is taking much longer than expected, and at this pace he will be here for another week. Phillips told the judge he's just trying not to say the wrong things or be caught in tricky questions. Judge: "It seems like they are pretty straight forward questions, but when you offer info, it may not be good for you" AEG's attorney Jessica Bina defends Phillips saying the questions are compound, but that she believes he's trying to answer the questions. Panish said he wants to finish today, that he hasn't argued with the witness or judge. "I really tried hard, for me, it's hard!" Panish said. Phillips said he understood and wants to go back to work as well. Promised to be better. Phillips said the email he wrote saying "this guy is trying to concern me" was referring to Kenny Ortega. "I had two concerns: wanted Kenny to be open minded until the meeting and I didn't want Kenny to quit," Phillips explained. At this point they were about $30 million plus in advance, Panish said. Phillips said it was about $28 million, which was a lot of money. Email on 3/13/09 from Leiweke to Phillips: "Phil (Anschutz) can be such a paranoid scrooge. He thinks he's smarter than everyone"After a break and admonition, Phillips testified about some of his concerns surrounding the show.He said he was concerned about Ortega. Phillips said he was concerned that Ortega as getting into an "entrenched position" regarding Jackson's health and rehearsals. Phillips: "I was also quite concerned that Kenny would throw up his hands in the air and quit."The CEO was talking directly to the jury. Phillips said again that his concern with Ortega was that he wasn't going into the meeting with an open mind and that he was going to quit. Panish played Phillips deposition where he said he didn't remember what he was concerned about regarding Ortega. "I think my answer today is clarification," Phillips said, adding he did not change his testimony. Panish questioned whether his description was something he "just remembered right now." Phillips responded, "I'm remembering a lot of things now." Panish shot back that Phillips hadn't remembered many things during his deposition. In his depo, played to the jury, Phillips said there were no discussions on June 20th about Michael taking a couple of days off. However, in court today, Phillips testified Ortega suggested that he take two days off After the June 20th meeting, Jackson took two days off and resumed rehearsals. At that point, Phillips began working out of Staples Center. Phillips said one of the changes to come out of the June 20th meeting was that he would be at Staples, looking in on rehearsals. Phillips was also shown an email from his assistant, looking for a physical therapist for Jackson on June 22, 2009 At this point, Phillips was asked about Arnold Klein. He was shown a June 23rd email from Jackson's business manager Michael Kane. Kane: "On the list of doctors that will help get (us) from today to the opening night, where does Arnold Klein stand on the list?"Phillips responded about Klein: "He scares us to death because he is shooting him up with something"Kane responded: "Well since we owe him $48k and he wants payment maybe I should stop paying him and he'll stop shooting him up. I have the details of what he is doing"Phillips told jurors the email was a response to a $48,000 bill that Jackson's manager received for the treatments by Dr. Arnold Klein. The treatments included numerous shots of cosmetic drugs such as Restalyne and botox, as well as other unidentified intramuscular shots, Phillips said, citing the bill. Phillips said he maintains his position that he didn't know what, if anything, any doctor was giving Michael. Phillips was asked about Jackson's rehearsals on June 23 and 24. He said he couldn't remember which songs were performed which day. Phillips said he watched them in its entirety, which lasted about 3 hours. He said Michael was engaged about an hour and a half to two hours. Panish: "Michael never did the whole show, did he, sir?"On 6/25/09 the insurance broker wrote to Dr. Murray at 12:54:15 pm, probably London time (approximately 5am LA time): " We are dealing with a matter of great importance and your urgent attention would be greatly appreciated"The email talked about getting Michael's medical records. Phillips said he learned from the media that Dr. Murray had been treating Michael since 2006. Panish: "This is Dr. Murray doing something to help AEG get insurance, fair enough?"On 8/18/09 Phillips wrote email to Michael Roth: "I think I know what Michael died of and this would exonerate Conrad"Lionel Richie's ex-wife Brenda called Philips and said Michael died of a combination of other drugs and Propofol. Phillips said he never told police, the DA or Dr. Murray's attorneys about it because he thought the info was not reliable. Panish: "Did you want Dr. Murray to get exonerated?"Panish played video of Phillips' deposition where he said he didn't remember what the information was but his memory has been refreshed Judge then adjourned session for the day. Trial resumes tomorrow morning. Panish said he has one more hour of questioning. The attorneys estimated Phillips will be done testifying by Wednesday afternoon Court Transcript |
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